tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7572205562498024454.post1540602474226543555..comments2024-02-12T23:56:11.051-05:00Comments on Daytonology: Dayton's (and Louisville's) Questionable Bohemian IndexJeffereyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01294969786619943530noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7572205562498024454.post-48449143281212334662018-06-19T04:13:20.209-04:002018-06-19T04:13:20.209-04:00You made some decent points there. I seemed on the...You made some decent points there. 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I appreciate you for spending some time to publish this.<br /><br /><br />www.joeydavila.netAissahttp://www.joeydavila.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7572205562498024454.post-50708252228185549352008-08-16T23:33:00.000-04:002008-08-16T23:33:00.000-04:00^Matt, excellent. Great point.Its really tough to ...^<BR/>Matt, excellent. Great point.<BR/><BR/>Its really tough to actually measure this, this concept of "bohemia", "cultural creatives", or whatever. In a way one is trying to describe a mileau, and how it works. As much sociology and cultural studies as economics. There are many facets to this. Though i talk more to the visual arts, there is the music scene and the mainstream arts organizations like DCDC, Rythym in Shoes, the ballet, etc. <BR/><BR/>How does one count people doing creative things (the "day job" situation)? And it gets even tougher when you are talking about patronage and support, as with Culturworks and a donor base, as well as patronage.<BR/><BR/>I should also say Florida is not the only one doing work on this.Jeffereyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01294969786619943530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7572205562498024454.post-10001184402038165582008-08-16T09:32:00.000-04:002008-08-16T09:32:00.000-04:00Are you maybe putting too much weight on the visib...Are you maybe putting too much weight on the visible creative class - artists and galleries - and not enough on the people associated with DCDC, the Philharmonic, theater groups, etc.? I would think there are lots of "off-stage" contributors (and people that support the, uh, Establishment/corporate-donor arts institutions) that would contribute to a Bohemian index.Matthew Sauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11494537587293965053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7572205562498024454.post-55511080926923761482008-08-14T17:49:00.000-04:002008-08-14T17:49:00.000-04:00"This provided a cultural and built environment en..."This provided a cultural and built environment endowment that a place like Dayton doesn't have."<BR/><BR/>Dayton lost its grand victorian things to urban renewal, but it has a good collection of 19th century vernacular architecture to the east of downtown. It probably has more pre 1870s working class housing than Louisville, in the Oregon and St Annes Hill, and a bit in the Xenia Avenue area. Dayton industrialized early so the architecture here reflects that. <BR/><BR/>Dayton's architectural patrimony is one thing I really need to blog more on.Jeffereyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01294969786619943530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7572205562498024454.post-50006943590407417302008-08-14T17:42:00.000-04:002008-08-14T17:42:00.000-04:00Sorry, Kate. I am still getting my head around the...Sorry, Kate. I am still getting my head around the concept of the incubator as it's a new thing to me.<BR/><BR/>@@@<BR/><BR/>Billy, yeah, not sure how far this stuff will go. This is a big experiment to push the envelope here, which is pretty interesting to see. <BR/><BR/>One way to reveal the underground is with media. You can see that with the music scene and Myspace, and with a few of the other blogs. <BR/><BR/>Guys like Mel from the Bhudda Den, who also promote shows...guys like this--and their projects--- need to be featured and boosted. And stuff like the Dirt Collective and Echoes and the Dayton Music Fest.Jeffereyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01294969786619943530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7572205562498024454.post-75662078378719532462008-08-14T14:29:00.000-04:002008-08-14T14:29:00.000-04:00Jefferey - great post, and Urbanophile - fantastic...Jefferey - great post, and Urbanophile - fantastic comment. As somebody from a major city I have often thought that the biggest problem that Dayton has is its small metro population. The funky, unique, ethnic, fringe and niche places and things that can always find enough of an audience in a big city rarely thrive let alone survive in small cities - especially in this day and age where almost everything has basically been commoditized. And that is something I do think about often - while Dayton has as tremendous creative underground for its size, is there enough of a market here to bring it above the surface?<BR/><BR/>I too find this region to overwhelmingly embrace bland over different, and that is a fundamental culture challenge that is difficult if not impossible to overcome.<BR/><BR/>Great conversation - thanks again!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09837218202725166638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7572205562498024454.post-72705165483595461462008-08-14T10:50:00.000-04:002008-08-14T10:50:00.000-04:00I just wanted to clarify that the DaytonCREATE Cre...I just wanted to clarify that the DaytonCREATE Creative Incubator team is not looking at starting gallery space. The focus is on researching and documenting what exists in the grassroots urban cultural scene & providing space for what is lacking. We don't think gallery space is lacking at this point. What seems to be lacking is community space to both create and perform...a multipurpose flexible place where cultural creatives can feel at home and connect with others in this hidden group.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7572205562498024454.post-73162898808193802482008-08-13T21:08:00.000-04:002008-08-13T21:08:00.000-04:00I'll be posting a bit more on Louisville later, bu...I'll be posting a bit more on Louisville later, but I have to agree on the size, and money, issue in re Dayton. <BR/><BR/>Since Florida's index indicates there should be a somewhat higher concentation of cultural creatives in Dayton vs Louisville, I'd expect to see some evidence of that.<BR/><BR/>The only reason I can see why we dont see more is lack of venues. I know some of the visual arts people here dont show here, but have national business, showing out of town. So perhaps it is here, as Floridas index shows, but the patronage isn't ,which is what my numbers might indicate.<BR/><BR/>I also think values can't be discounted. <BR/><BR/>In this pragmatic "city of 1000 factories" (and even more engineers) things like art might not be valued (beyond the conventional S-O-B subscription).Jeffereyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01294969786619943530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7572205562498024454.post-31449209608349363232008-08-13T20:59:00.000-04:002008-08-13T20:59:00.000-04:00(Note: This comment was originally posted by the ...(Note: This comment was originally posted by the Urbanophile, but accidentaly deleted. I managed to find it and here it is reposted)<BR/><BR/>Lots of thoughts. It's tough to know where to start.<BR/><BR/>1. If the Bohemian Index only measures employees, then it could miss a significant segment of the creative community. However, the weak showing for Louisville is consistent with its poor showing in the NEA survey, college degree attainment, etc. The data based surveys seem at odds with the popular belief about the city. Is the data wrong, or is the popular perception off? I've long maintained that Louisville's arts community is not nearly so robust as locals would have you believe.<BR/><BR/>2. Louisville is the largest city by far in Kentucky. Dayton is way down the list in Ohio. Louisville is a natural agglomeration point for cultural activities in the state of Kentucky. Dayton does not play anything like that role in Ohio.<BR/><BR/>3. Dayton is very close to Cincinnati, which can suck away its more creative element easily. What's more, easy proximity to thriving suburban counties like Warren and Butler means an easy exodus for business and affluent people from Montgomery County, possibly draining life away from it in a way that doesn't affect Louisville, which has no critical mass affluent suburban counties to pose much of a similar threat at this point.<BR/><BR/>4. Louisville was historically a larger city relative to the nation than it is today. Wasn't it once like 9th largest in the country? When the river was king, Louisville was an important place. This provided a cultural and built environment endowment that a place like Dayton doesn't have. (Cincinnati sees this to an even greater degree).<BR/><BR/>5. Size does matter. I do think there is some minimum scale to operate as a "big city". Louisville seems to be nibbling at the edges. Dayton is clearly below it. Urban amenities do seem to be roughly proportional to population. That's one reason I advocate the "smaller but better" vision for Louisville, since it does not have the population heft to complete with Indianapolis or Columbus (both 40% bigger metros) or Cincinnati (almost 2x bigger).Just some ideas that occur to me.Jeffereyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01294969786619943530noreply@blogger.com